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On 4/28/2024 at 7:29 PM, Sangmi said:

I'm not good for much, but I do enjoy my research. I'm always happy to help solve quirky little mysteries like the ones that keep popping up in this thread. Looking through protocols is very fun to me haha. 
Without sounding too silly.. a POV that gets signed over to the state wouldn't be a POV anymore, right? 

I found more info on MCA 61-8-102 (2)(a): "Authorized emergency vehicle" means a vehicle of a governmental fire agency organized under Title 7, chapter 33, an ambulance, or an emergency vehicle designated or authorized by the department.

The department is what confuses, me so I had to go to 61-1-101.

61-1-101 (17) says: (17) "Department" means the department of justice acting directly or through its duly authorized officers or agents.

So the Montana State DOJ has the authority to designate any vehicle as an authorized emergency vehicle. Also this firefighter guy here said POVs are emergency vehicles, if approved to be as such by the Fire Chief, County Sheriff, and Montana State DOJ. Which is confusing, because he said in another video that POVs are not emergency vehicles.

 

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4 hours ago, Johhnnyy said:

I found more info on MCA 61-8-102 (2)(a): "Authorized emergency vehicle" means a vehicle of a governmental fire agency organized under Title 7, chapter 33, an ambulance, or an emergency vehicle designated or authorized by the department.

The department is what confuses, me so I had to go to 61-1-101.

61-1-101 (17) says: (17) "Department" means the department of justice acting directly or through its duly authorized officers or agents.

So the Montana State DOJ has the authority to designate any vehicle as an authorized emergency vehicle. Also this firefighter guy here said POVs are emergency vehicles, if approved to be as such by the Fire Chief, County Sheriff, and Montana State DOJ. Which is confusing, because he said in another video that POVs are not emergency vehicles.

 

The more we read into this, the more I start to think that Montana lawmakers never anticipated on anyone looking into the statute this deeply! haha. 

That's very interesting. I wonder if the definition maybe changes unofficially depending on the warning system configuration of a given vehicle. 

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1 hour ago, Sangmi said:

The more we read into this, the more I start to think that Montana lawmakers never anticipated on anyone looking into the statute this deeply! haha. 

That's very interesting. I wonder if the definition maybe changes unofficially depending on the warning system configuration of a given vehicle. 

This is why I love my province's rules. I'm from Saskatchewan, and we recognize POVs of firefighters and medical responders and the like as emergency vehicles, since April 1, 2009. The reason is because some City of Estevan fireman named Travis Olver ran a red light, while going to a truck fire in his POV. Cops noticed and stopped him anyway. He was given a $220 CAD ticket, he fought it, but lost. The judge reduced it to $70.

Then Saskatchewan Premier Brad Wall got the legislature together, and got the law changed. Section 238 of the Saskatchewan Traffic Safety Act says;

"The driver of an emergency vehicle may act pursuant to subsection (2) if the emergency vehicle is:

(a) used for the transportation of a peace officer in the performance of the officer’s duties;

(b) used for the transportation of a member of a fire department in response to an emergency;

(c) an ambulance used in response to an emergency;

(d) a vehicle or one of a class of vehicles designated by the board as an emergency vehicle which is used in response to an emergency; or

(e) a vehicle that: (i) is designated by a municipality in a bylaw as a vehicle that may be used as an emergency vehicle by a volunteer firefighter or first responder; and

(ii) is being used in response to an emergency and is operated by a person who meets the prescribed requirements.

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1 hour ago, Sangmi said:

The more we read into this, the more I start to think that Montana lawmakers never anticipated on anyone looking into the statute this deeply! haha. 

That's very interesting. I wonder if the definition maybe changes unofficially depending on the warning system configuration of a given vehicle. 

In the video above, he said he had to go through Montana DOJ, the sheriff of his county, and the fire chief of his department to get his vehicle designated as an emergency vehicle.

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On 5/1/2024 at 10:00 AM, Johhnnyy said:

I heard EMTs can't do shit without mee control doc on the phone. At least thats what Fire Department Chronicles said on YouTube.

Fun fact: Nurses in the Philippines, where I'm originally from, are the paramedics. We don't have paramedics there, so the nurses are the next best thing. We do have EMTs. Nurses and EMTs can call deaths. PNP cops can't call deaths, but PNP-SOCO (Scene of the Crime Operatives) can.

 

Depends on the state. NY is big on standing orders so I can do a lot more in NY then other states that Ive worked (NJ and PA) so I don't need to call telemetry unless its something sketch or for a repeat dose of albuterol

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