Wikileaks

[Newfoundking]

Well when you're in several countries.. And you've got military forces in EVERY country pretty much, you're bound to get lots of negative attention

[Tian318]

Check your own "source" there bud, it states nothing of any Surface to Air or Air to Air varients... The tomahawk is only for surface based targets.

That is why i said i would come up with a better source

As not all types are shown there:-)

[hunter42]

But... The Tomahawk is classed as a cruise missile, and a cruise missile is "essentially a flying bomb."

so essentialy this "X to air" Tomahawk of yours is the same as dropping a bomb on the flying plane...

[jab16]

US Missle Types

AGM-12 Bullpup

AGM-22

AGM-28 Hound Dog

AGM-45 Shrike

AGM-48 Skybolt

AGM-53 Condor

AGM-62 Walleye

AGM-63

AGM-64 Hornet

AGM-65 Maverick

AGM-69 SRAM

AGM-76 Falcon

AGM-78 Standard ARM

AGM-79 Blue Eye

AGM-80 Viper

AGM-83 Bulldog

AGM-84 Harpoon

AGM-86 CALCM

AGM-87 Focus

AGM-88 HARM

AGM-112

AGM-114 Hellfire

AGM-119 Penguin

AGM-122 Sidearm

AGM-123 Skipper

AGM-124 Wasp

AGM-129 ACM

AGM-130

AGM-131 SRAM II

AGM-136 Tacit Rainbow

AGM-137 TSSAM

AGM-142 Have Nap

AGM-153

AGM-154 JSOW

AGM-158 JASSM

AGM-159 JASSM

[Newfoundking]

AGM = air to ground

[jab16]

oppps wrong list I feel like an idiot hold on ill change it

[Tian318]

For now the only source i can give you is the name series and episode of the program:

Show: Mayday

Season: 3

Episode: 5)

Run on the Nat geo channel

Part one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjKuCsKPUt0&feature=related

Part two:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IBOVkHbkkw&feature=related

[Tian318]

Part three:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xi7_y3rpT3I&feature=related

Part four:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sCVTaZtgSo&feature=related

Part five:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSCPa6BpVzs&feature=related

(just to give you a head up, i was wrong about plane and date, Must have mixed them up with another air shot down plane)

So call it a win for you guys

But as i stated before, should that change the moral opinion behind the story?

Should crew like the AH-64 heli, or any other crew be put up the web and posted as criminals for a mistake they made in war time.

[Newfoundking]

On 3 July 1988, while operating in the Southern Persian Gulf as a unit assigned to Commander, Joint Task Force Middle East, the USS Vincennes (CG 49) shot down an Iranian civilian airliner with two SM-2 missiles after mistaking it for an Iranian F-14. The Airbus aircraft, Iran Air Flight 655

SM-2 is not a Tomahawk missle, it is actually a RIM-156 SM-2 Block IVA

For the math-y types

RIM-156 SM-2 Block IVA ? Tomahawk Missle

OR

{X|X?Y} Where X=Tomahawk and Y= RIM-156 SM-2 Block IVA

Source(s)

http://www.globalsec...systems/sm2.htm

http://www.globalsec...y/cg-49.htm(5th paragraph is important)

Case closed?

[Tian318]

Case closed?

As i said

(just to give you a head up, i was wrong about plane and date, Must have mixed them up with another air shot down plane)

So call it a win for you guys

[Newfoundking]

Your post was not there when I went to start my reply.. I double checked my sources

[Hoppah]

You must always know what you attacking but in this case he (the pilot or the gunner) saw a RPG and many AK-47's. I can only see something that in a very creative way of thinking could match the shape of an AK-47.

Judging is easy, isn't it? It's simple, it was a very bad assessment of the pilots, but things like that always happen during war. In a very short timeframe you need to make a decision if you're going to react or not. That's what every soldier in the world needs to do during war. When you see someone holding 'something', it might be a weapon threatening the lifes of you or other people. As a soldier, it's IMPOSSIBLE to wait until you are 100% sure what they were holding. And guess what, things like this probably happen every day. Unfortunately, war is never good. You know nothing about pressure, stress and responsibility during wartimes.

edit:

Tomahawks shooting down aircraft?

[usmc123]

I guarantee you the screen the gunner was looking at was nowhere near as clean as it probably was for that gunner. Not to mention his adrenaline was pumping. We have the luxury of being able to pause the video and take our time to look at little details. Someone in the situation of the gunner is scanning everything, hes looking at building number of people, etc. He isn't just focused on the weapon, he is trying to get an assessment of the entire situation that is ongoing. I think there are very few people on this site that have any idea the kind of pressure it takes to be in such a high intensity situation. I know I have no idea and like such really can't make a fare assessment on how that gunner felt pulling the trigger on those unidentified men.

[MCERT1]

Wikileaks isn't too bad.

However, it's rarely anything special or new. It's just stuff people think is super secret or special.

As for the collateral murder video. It was a tragedy, but the gunner acted on what he saw, or in this case thought he saw. From the radio transmissions, it appears there were active engagements going on in the area on the ground. The fact they were carrying their camera's on slings didn't help. It seems weird for us here, but in certain parts of the world people tend to carry firearms around on slings, so the gunner interpreted what he saw by what he was accustomed to seeing. The "RPGs", which I assume were tripods looked a lot like an RPG. The behavior of the reporter who was crouched down by the corner of the building also didn't help. While a tragedy I don't think the gunner did anything wrong. If you're curious find video of them engaging identified insurgents...It lets you understand what the gunner thought he saw, and why.