frankie1988

I'm British and therefore am Biased. Seriously, I think they have the best service history, are very efficent, train perhaps the hardest and I would not want to be on the receiving end of them.

GIGN remain essentially a polcie unit more than a military one.

The OC-D

nope, you are wrong, it is a military based unit,.. GIPN is police based,..

I forgot to mention, if terrorist attacks happen then, as well as ARU's, the British SAS are called in. It's very rare but I would certainly say they're the best Special Force in the world.

The OC-D

I think that the best police tactical unit are LAPD SWAT, but special forces including army these are among the best - British SAS, Germany - GSG9, French GIGN, USA - FBI HRT, ,..

here are few more images of ATJ Lučko

You should never shoot a guy holding hostages with a gun pointed at a hostage, because when the perp dies all the muscles will tighten and he might pull the trigger

thats why the snipers are told to shoot only at nose or behind ear, because muscles relaxes and perp cannot pull the trigger,... dies instatly,.

If you shoot someone in the head, they die. I didn't know that SWAT were taught to kill people, even if they are hostage takers. Do SWAT do this in other countries?

you didnt get the point of that post, I was reffering about someone else post who was saying that sniper will shoot perp at hand so they can arrest him,... so I said that sniper will never do that, they will shoot him in the head - because otherwise he could kill hostige,... or thats how it works in my country,...

I said sniper - not SWAT,.. and yeah, SWAT is life saving organisation not life taking,.... if the negotiation fails they do what need to be done, even if they need to kill the perp, which is the last ressort .. they always tries to deal with situation more peacefully,... where neither perp or victims being harmed or dead,....

Here's how they usually hand hostage situations.They have like 10-30 snipers pointing at the hostage taker,when the cops come in to negotiate with them,the sniper shoots their hand or somewhere,then the police use their arresting techniques to arrest them.

shooting at a hand of perp is not good at all, because muscle of the suspect can simultanosly strech and make hostige taker to shoot the hostage,.... so every sniper from that kind of unit is told and learned at academy to shot target in the nose or behind the ear,... because then target lose all his function, and muscels relax so it cannot pull trigge.,.. sniper will never shoot at target at other part of the body if hes threating someonelse life,..... at least - thats how it works in my country,...

btw. sorry for bad english,..

OCD is most likely referring to the thread title:

In which case his arguement is quite correct.

Suppose it depends on context...

as ocd has pointed out, Britain doesn't have SWAT teams, just ARUs. I think my region only has about 9-12 ARUs available. Closest I'll ever see armed officers will be at Edinburgh airport.

Picture is almost 3 years old, but I don't think anything's changed.

is that a HS 2000 handgun on picture?

Well,China usually uses lethal force but no in the head,usually in the arm.The requirements for like any job in China is like 1.7 meters so I consider you 0.25 meters taller than me?

I saw one of theirs action on some video, and didnt like becauese they with their actions threathen the life of the hostige,... it was a situation in a bus, a guy was holding hostige on neck, and threathing her with a knife,.. police and SWAT were outside, then one SWAT member while standinb by the window negotiating with hostige taker, pulls out a gun and shoothed him in the head, perp dies instantly,..

they can ended it more safer I think,...

Don't forget this one:

(make sure to turn off the music)

Most special forces in other countries do get similar training and equipment. There are many ways to scale a wall or to enter a building. That's all about tactics and is different in each situation. Climbing a wall without a rope is not that important. I do think there is a big difference in fighting techniques between countries. It seems like that most of these Asian special forces do learn some exotic fighting style. Funny thing is, most Asians I know are MUCH shorter than me and I am only 1,86 meter (6'1"), what is about the average height for a male in my country I think. Besides that, smashing roof tiles with your head is impressive but not that special. Or do you think that their skulls are harder or something? (iLol) A video doesn't say that much. Qualities like survival skills, stamina, strenght and endurance are very important too. And what about negotiation skills and after care services or even the whole organisation? When you just had to to kill someone (because it's your job) you will most likely need mental aid. Videos like that do only make me laugh (espcially the tree hugging in the other video), because it is in no way a representation of 'how good' the special forces of a certain country actually are. China is very big and I do not expect a special forces team can reach any place within the hour there.

What makes special forces of a certain country good anyway? The ability to solve situations without the use of (lethal) force should be more important than training anyway in my opinion. I rather see statistics of that.

totaly agree,... SWAT and other tactical units are primary life saving organisation not life taking,....

ATJ Lučko use combination of ju-jitsu - karate and capoeira,.. and in 15 (in war they were like SAS , working behind enemy lines and missions like that, so they werent anything like today) years of service they dont have even one hostage dead, only two slightli injured by efect of flasbangs.,... also neiteher one of the perps died ,...

Our local swat. Not too sure about the weapons. They kinda use what ever they find on the side of the highway next to the county jailhouse

hahaha they can be kind of scary in the dark for sure ,...

This is my local SWAT team

the ones that started it all.

they all carry handguns.

main weapon depends on the situation.

one of my favorites,... do you know what kind of handguns they use? and SWAT truck is awesome,.. Is that a firefighter truck redisegn for police?

Too lazy to dig up pics, but we use an old bank car for our swat truck. An International brand if I recall right.

Not sure how many officers we have, but our SWAT officers are usually on patrol working traffic duty so they usually respond in there patrol car. In some rare cases officers with take home cars will be forced to respond even if there off duty. For example there was a young male walking near a high school with a rifle(or maybe shotgun) and SWAT was there suiting up on scene breaking from there normal patrol duties and some off duty officers with take home cars were told to respond as well.

Do you have any information about equipment they use? any action video

here is some of the recent action of atj lučko - men in a car full of gasoline with a lighter in a hand tried to blow up the building,...

The fastest SWAT force in the world. I don't know how they can freakin jump in vans :O. Their SWAT officers nationwide in different sectors including the PAP,SPU,SWCU,PLA Special operations force, and immediate action unit adds up to like 800 thousand.

This is why Al Qaeda doesn't mess with China.

I wouldunt say they are the fastes, because that video is fasted up,.... but they look good,... thougt I like SWAT truck with ladder,....

SWAT does not exist in most countries. The word SWAT is only an acronym for the American special forces and some other international law enforcement departments. You should say special forces, special operations or elite tactical team instead.

- The Netherlands has the Arrestatieteams (AT; Arrest-team) who perform similar tasks like American SWAT teams. Pic: click. More information, see SWAT: click

- There is also the Brigade Speciale Beveiligingsopdrachten (BSB; Special Protection Tasks Brigade), a special unit of the Dutch gendarmerie corps. Pic: click. More information: click

- And there is the Unit Interventie Mariniers (UIM; Unit Intervention Marines) specialized in counter-terrorism operations. Formerly known as BBE. Pic: click. More information: click

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[917893678251 mode]This is why Al-Qaida has not messed with the Netherlands yet. [/917893678251 mode]

ok,.. i took a wrong word, but it is ok, because everyone understod,...

What of those are primary unit which deals with toughest missions ?

In Argentina The G.E.O.F is like the Swat . geof means grupo especial de operaciones federales ( special group of federal operations)

I see they using mp5 and SCAR,... any info about members, training, equipment ?

because they stand on APC's???

thought they did that world wide.

And here is wass thinking they did not do that, cause off we are to small and un important country for that...

On another note, who would dare to strike harry potter? even voldemort could not kill him.

:D:D:D:D:D:D

I get this problem with a GTX275 .. not like really good, not when people have all these fancy £600 ATI cards, but it's like .. rendering a few commands buttons and a spinning dashed circle shouldn't decrease framerate that much!

Try this,... I opened my computer when I had this problem, and cleand the interior,... cleaned all dust, from motherboard, graffic card, hd, power supplay,... and now its running perfectly and smootley,..

In Police radio talk there are things called 9 codes and 10 codes which is used primarailly to communicate with Other officers and dispatch/county.

Police 10 codes- Used to report a responding unit/ cancel call/ in service/ etc.. ex: Dispatch Unit 55-27 10-01 (in service)

10-01 In service

10-12 Unaurthorized listner present

10-02 Out of service

10-14 Checking person/vehicle

10-03 Off the air (Investigation)

10-20 Vehicle owner information

10-04 Message recieved

10-25 Danger/Caution (V,S,M,E,F)

10-05 Location

10-30 CPIC/NCIC check

10-06 At scene

10-31 Subject wanted (warrant)

10-10 Radio Emergency Alarm

10-32 Subject negative

10-11 Cancel present call ?

10-33 Subject outstanding

dont think i missed any

dude,.. you missed the most important one,..

10 - 13 - officers in danger/ need backup /assistance sorry for off topic

Lučko Anti-Terrorist Unit (Croatian: Antiteroristička jedinica Lučko, ATJ Lučko) is an elite Anti-Terrorist Unit of the Croatian Police stationed in Lučko near Zagreb, the capital of Croatia. Like all police units in the country, it is under command of the Ministry of the Interior.

The unit was established on September 7, 1990 and was the first Croatian fighting unit in the Croatian War of Independence. It was also the only fighting unit of Croatian forces at the time. During the course of the Croatian War of Independence, only 14 officers were killed and 52 wounded in the unit of 350 members.

Now it has around 200 highly trained members. Theirs training includes alpinism, parashooting, diving, marital arts, weapons range, climbing,.. they are considered to be one of the most elite anti-terrorist unit in Eastern Europe, they also trained wit FBI HRT,

Famous MMA fighter Mirko 'Cro Cop' Filipović was a member of this unit for 6 years.

] Equipment

* M4A1 SOPMOD

* MP5

* G36C

* MP7

* H&K UMP

* HS 2000 / XD

* VHS rifle

* M-24

and I would like moderator to make a poll about units that have been showed,.. so we can se who get the most points,...

Please speak english...

anyone who is willing to help with this mod, contact me by pm, Im new to modeling and still learning basics, but with yours help we xould make it,... Im already gathered many pictures, ,.. so contact me. so we can discuss about this,.. any help from expirienced model maker would be also appreciated...

It depends what you want to do. To make new vehicles you need a modelling program, like Zmodeler 2 or Google Sketchup.

yes, I want to make new vehicles, and later put it into game,. can you tell me which progrm is better to use,..

to the forums. As far as I know there is not a croatian mod. You can find everything to do with modding in the Modding and Mod Help section. And anything to do with the LA Mod is in the LA Mod section.

Thnx,.. was there, but can"t find what I was looking for,... and for the start,.. can someone pls tell me what tools I need for modding,.. and with which tool I should start first?,.. thnx

Hi everyvone,.. I m new here,.. and i want toknow is anyone making Croatian mod,...I would like to help iif so,.....

anyway,.. where can I find tools and everything /explanation for moding,.. cheers!!!